Job Recovery & Education

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Originally Posted by Fillzee But throwing college at people who are ill-equipped to handle it or who lack the mechanical aptitude to jump into the new high tech jobs will lead to more of what we now have... chronic unemployment/underemployment, debt, and dysfunction.

Hear, hear. This is the truth folks.

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Originally Posted by Fillzee a highly competitive educational environment with school choice where schools compete for students and go out of business when they fail.

Well....this is a bad idea. I teach in a rural school...who should we compete with? How do our kids shop for a "better" school, when the nearest next school is 30 miles away and then it's another 30 to the next three? We don't need to compete, we need to succeed.

I agree with getting rid of the unions, our school is 95% union free, and we consistently run at the top of scores across the state, despite not being able to pick and choose our students. All that competitive schooling does is benefit the haves while punishing the have nots.

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Originally Posted by Fillzee Conversely, we need to reinstate discipline, accountability, and work ethic on the part of the students and their parents. Most of all, we need to transform our welfare mentality into a work based mentality where being poor absolutely sucks and you barely get by unless you work.

Full agrement here as well.

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Originally Posted by Fillzee College will NOT transform inter-general welfare recipients into people who will step up and take the next generation of jobs. And I am NOT talking about a few isolated cases here... there are millions of people today who will never participate in the kind of education that this article is talking about.

That's the key to me...they talk about the 11 million "new" jobs...what about the 50 million old jobs that DON'T require college, a large chunk of which go unfilled because no one seems to want to work?

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Originally Posted by Fillzee You will NEVER see any analysis of our "dumbness" and laziness problems in these pie-in-the-sky academic studies.

True, it can't be done, as it would be considered racist, or elitist, or some other non-PC thing.

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Originally Posted by Jbrent95 -- "Out of 11.6 million jobs created in teh post-recession economy, 11.5 million with to workers with at least some college education." -- From slide 4, since 2010, "workers with a bachelor's degree have added 8.4 million jobs, but workers with high school diplomas or less added only 80,000 jobs". -- Even those with an associate's degree gained 3.1 million jobs.

You know why these jobs require college?

It's got nothing to do with what they learn. They require college, because the gatekeepers in those industries don't want to pay for training, they want the taxpayers to pay for it instead. Seriously, the number one complaint today is that graduates aren't prepared. Of course they aren't, your job requirements are too specific for a college to train to them, and you are too foolish to realize that if you spent a few months training them, they'd be perfect. Assuming they weren't the freeloading non-working graduates that many seem to be these days.

The other things is, they simply think they can weed out the riff-raff from the get-go.

Little do they realize...the riff-raff are often the one's going to college these days, on someone else's dime, while many of the hard workers are getting jobs and making money.

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Originally Posted by Jbrent95 Keeping with the theme of this board, there's a less likelihood of SHTF if the population is fully employed.

This is true, unfortunately, our society has a hard time agreeing on what "fully employed" means, as well as other terms like "work", "fair compensation", "fair wages", "budgeting" or that great boondoggle, the "livable wage".

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