samedi 30 mars 2019

Mechanized Cavalry - M60 vs M2HB vs M191

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Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
Im looking at getting a rebuilt M998 HMMWV. Its a full restore with 6.2L. Im liiking at augmented armor packages and at worst will armorcore the interior myself if necessary.

Now this vehicle will fit in my garage and be used to get me and my family from my homestead to my bunker at an undisclosed location about 60mi away.

Im looking at weapons systems and am stuck betwen a few in the 20-60k range.

My financial situation is changing rapidly and I originally thought an M1919A4 would be perfect, but now Im thinking an M60 or M2HB would be better goven my better financial postion, if the extra expenses buys a significant increase in reliability, easy of use, maintenence, etc.

My question to those with a mechanized cavalry background, did you prefer .308 or .50? Am I better off with the M60 or M2HB...or for 1/3 the price will the M1919 be just fine?

The M240 is too expensive.

Also I have the time and patience to have the M60 uograded to E3 or E4, or have us ord upgrade the M2HB to M2A1 or A2 and 1919A4s are a dime a dozen.

Any input is appreciated. Remember this is going to be used as a light armored personal domestic transport vehicle, that needs to run on diesel, hit highway speeds, fit in a garage, have some sustained deterrant firepower, mitigate small arms fire, and have a range of around 60-100mi at minimum. And what weapons system would you recommend?

I will be adding an MP5A2 and M16A1 to the inside of the vehicle..but that is another conversation all together.

In the meantime Im going ro use my SWD M11/Nine with Lage MAX-11/15 witha pibtle mount and 100rd Surefires or betas...but Id prefer a real beltfed option moving forward.

Thank you in advance.

1st off.... You need a trained gun truck crew. Toys aint worth squat all by thier lonesome. Have no idea if rich civilians have thier version of gunnery or not.

2nd: Look for a real gun truck. M114 / M1151. You would be better off with 2 of them. One all by itself may look cool, have value for show and tell, etc....but tactical value is extremely limited.

Fwiw. .....
I had 2 M114 trucks at one time in Iraq. One had an M240 while the other had an M2 with M249 in tandem mount. Later on in this deployment, all of them were replaced with Estonian Army MG3 machine guns. 19s aint the only folks with guntrucks.

Anywhoos........

The advantages of mounting an M60 , M240, or better yet...an MG3 ( MG3 wont feed Nato disintegrating links well if the gas regulator is cranked up. Keep it at 1 to 3 or use non disinigrating links.

1. The weapon can quickly be dismounted and utilized by one member of the gun crew.

2. The load plan will or should incorporate 2 to 3 times the amount in 7.62 Nato link compared to 50 bmg. Urban fighting increases to 4-5 times the amount.

3. MG3 only......Rate of fire , and reliability.. M240 is a distant 2nd. M2A1 followed by M2. To cut to the chase here ....M60 dead last.

M2 advantages = Everything else. ( Hint.....A short burst will turn an M114, BRDM or BMP into junk in very short order.)

MK19: You didn’t ask so Ill leave it out.Same with the PKM, RPD, etc...

The Crow system is worth every penny .

Notes:

Dump the M16A1 if this is some sort of historic recreation. M16A2 would be a better choice for historical accounts. If you lock up an MG3, you will want a Galil. ( To be exact.....a South African R4)

M2 still needs a tripods/ pintle and TnE to give it a ground mounting option. Truck will need the correct chicken plate.

Link fed guns are not expensive compared to thier ammo bill. Uncle Sam has and still pays for mine...lol.

Be careful adding armor to an actual 998. The org suspension wont handle it for long. Same with the brakes , engine, tranny, etc.....

Look for a MG called a MAG 58. May save you some coin and essentially the same gun as an M240.

Skip on the M240 " Lima " Go with a "bravo".

If you use an M240, M60, or MG3 from a bipod, learn what the term bracing means and employ it anytime you actually want to hit something with the first burst.

Burst rate with an M60 or M240 is easy to remember......( Kill a family of 5.)

M80A1 ammunition is a huge improvement.

Good luck.

11B

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Mechanized Cavalry - M60 vs M2HB vs M191

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