mercredi 31 janvier 2018

Police Trades - 40S&W Glock 23 GEN3 - $314, Glock 37 .45 GAP Night Sights - $285

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Will Punxsutawney Phil See His Shadow on Friday?

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Is long shelf life really that important?

I've been thinking about this lately...If I get a years worth of food ahead that still means that it will all be consumed within two years. Doesn't seem to be a lot of point in mylar, deoxygenators etc in that case.

Is there a really reason to store food with a twenty year shelf life unless its literally 20 years worth of food?

If its just a years worth of food when your actually eating it why would you ever need it last longer than your rotation period?

Unless your not rotating it for 20 years...in which case your not eating it.....in which case....why do you have it?

Seems to me its cheaper, easier and tastier to just keep food with a shelf life equal to your consumption rate rather than getting hung up on how to keep something edible for 20 years when its only a years worth of actual food.

And if your only stocking food for say, four months, there are a lot of fruits, vegetables, nuts, cured meats, etc that don't even need to be canned, frozen etc, just properly stored.

An exception would be a cache, where your stocking food in a place where you won't actually be there eating it.

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Sellier & Bellot 9mm 115gr FMJ 500 rounds (10 boxes) - $89.99 shipped after code "M3P"

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Armscor Precision Meriva 12Ga 18.5" 5RD from $146 shipped

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FightLite Industries At SHOT Show 2018

Part of being a survivalist is taking everyday events and relating them to prepping. So while I was walking around SHOT Show, I would look at various items, and think how they could relate to my prepping plans. However, when prepping we must take into account our friends and family members. The question I ask myself is usually, "How would a certain item be used by various family members?"

So out of the firearms I saw at SHOT Show, which one would contribute something worthwhile to my pepping goals?

I feel it had to be the AR-15 replacement stocks from FightLite Industries.

Some of you may be thinking, "Come on Kevin, is that the best you can do?" Hang on a minute guys and I will explain why I liked the FightLite Industries AR-15 stocks.

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Post-SHTF wild fires! No fire department

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How many times more likely would wild fires be post-SHTF?
A thousand times more? A hundred thousand times more? Basically just assume the entirety of the rocky mountains will burn the first summer, and the same for the cities, prairies....anything that isn't wet year round or nothing but rock. Everything will burn.

I live in the woods. Fire is the by far, the #1 threat. I am an officer in the local fire department but I realize that in the event of a serious forest fire I am on my own. The department is for the community, not individuals. With a major fire they will be busy trying to save farms and clusters of houses, not my isolated little homestead in the middle of the trees, and of course in the PAW, they won't exist at all.

I also have resolved to never evacuate. Losing my home is no different from losing my life at this point. I am too old and poor to ever rebuild. If my house burns and I survive it means a short miserable life on the streets or scraping by in my mother in laws trailer house. No thanks. I'd rather die fighting.

So what does that leave me? If you are going to fight to save your home you have to be your own fire department, true now, even more so in the PAW.

Luckily...I have water. An irrigation ditch full of water and a 158 GPM gasoline pump set up with 1 1'4 water lines running to rooftop sprinklers and hoses. When I turn them on its like a localized rain storm. For comparison, your normal household system provides about 10GPM in the best case. I don't get the full 158 on my roof I'm sure, but I bet I get a 100. It runs for an hour on a gallon of gas. If I see the fire coming I could put tens of thousands of gallons into the ground, the trees, etc in a few hours.

I have two SCBA air packs and eight air tanks. I have many training courses in wildland firefighting. My house is sided in stucco.

I have chainsaw (or three) and heavy equipment and every year I increase my fire defenses.

But most importantly, I won't be leaving. Most houses that succumb to wildfire are not consumed in an overwhelming wall of fire. They are blasted with embers until one finds its way into a soffit vent or catches the porch on fire, etc. Small fires with no one to put them out.

If you can breath and you can spray water you can fight fire. Assure those two things and its most of the battle.

Impregnable passive defense are a much much greater challenge than active ones.

And if all that fails and I decided I want to live another day afterall, I can lay on the bottom of the ditch for a couple hours with my SCBA. (They work just like a SCUBA in shallow water)

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mardi 30 janvier 2018

DIY Shooting Bench

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Colt Custom Shop Competition Pistol at the 2018 SHOT Show

Colt released their new Colt Custom Competition Pistol at the 2018 SHOT Show. This newest variant of their 1911 pistol blends features from their Colt Competition Pistol line with elements from the Colt Gold Cup with everything run through the Colt Custom Shop for a true “hand built pistol” experience. The Colt Custom Competition pistol[.....]

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Colt Retro M16A1 at the 2018 SHOT Show

After a long delay the Colt M16A1 “Retro” rifle is finally shipping. This rifle was originally announced in 2016 but only a handful of made it into reviewer’s hands until now. Colt had an example at the 2018 SHOT Show and I thought a recap would be appropriate since the rifle is finally reaching consumers.[.....]

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Cz model 527 .223rem bolt action rifle (used)

CZ MODEL 527 .223REM BOLT ACTION RIFLE (USED) Price:$425.00

THIS IS A VERY NICE HIGH QUALITY BOLT ACTION RIFLE IN .223 REMINGTON. THIS RIFLE HAS VERY MINOR WEAR, NO FACTORY BOX INCLUDED.

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Russian Mosin Nagant M91/30 Round Receiver Rifle (USED)

Russian Mosin Nagant M91/30 Round Receiver Rifle (USED) Price:$249.99

Tula marked receiver, Arsenally refinished after WWII. This is a fun rifle for collectors and recreational shooters. This rifle shows some wear but will be a great addition you your collection.

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Ruger Security 9

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Happy valentines day to me

Yesterday while looking for DVDs at a few pawn shops around here I stumbled across a norinco SKS. All numbers matched, had a sling. Original 10 round mag. It had a little bit of wobble to it. Didn't have a bayonet though. Wanted 350 for it so I didn't think much about it. As my girlfriend and I were leaving he said 299 out the door. Needless to say my gf said happy valentines day and got it for me now to go find good stripper clips and a bandolier haha. Not sure of the date since I can't find it. Man behind the counter said he was tired of sitting on it. Originally had it for 400 and just kept going down till someone (myself) finally got it.

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Ceramic Dome water filter questions

I have 6 unused ceramic dome filters purchased about 3 years ago and have a couple of questions about caring for them should they be needed.

After using them and assuming they have captured Giardia, Cyclospora, E-Coli and other nasties, before using the second time, should they be cleaned?

Aside from the instructions that came with the filters, how do you do it without damaging or compromising the filter?

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The jealousy of God?

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Looking for group

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We live in MN and wish to join a group that is seeking to thrive when the world as we know it is no longer. *We have a very large amount of supplies and will give details in a private communication along with what skills we can offer a group. *Would like to be in Northern MN, but may consider other locations.

I look forward to hearing from you!

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How building damage assessments help to protect the property

Due to the elevation of natural disaster, protecting property has become the first priority for every property owner to have a safe and happy future. For this, it is necessary to seek the help of the experts before purchasing any insurance policy. Property Insurance Consultants like The Gower Group inspect the cause of the damage and recommend different fruitful building damage assessments for repair or replace the damage. What is your idea? Please let us know.

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lundi 29 janvier 2018

My new-ish BOV

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It's a 1994, the last year of the IDI all mechanical Ford diesels. I traded a FAL, and an AR for it. Image: http://ift.tt/2DZHaVU ...

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Chris Christie joins ABC News

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Preppers: Applying Little League Sports To Prepping

How many people reading this article played some kind of sports?* Rather than talking about high school or jr. high sports, let’s talk about little league. Why little league?* Because a lot of us did not have a choice in the matter.* Mom or dad took us somewhere, got us enrolled, picked out the gear,[.....]

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Latest 1911 Pistol Sales Update From the Civilian Marksmanship Program

The Civilian Marksmanship Program just sent out an update on the 1911 pistol sales program through their e-mail list and Facebook page. According to Mark Johnson, CMP Chief Operating Officer, the CMP has received the first 8,000 pistols authorized to be released to them by the U.S. Army. The CMP is authorized to receive a[.....]

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Greetings from Minnesota

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I've been downloading vids off of YouTube for years using Freemake Video Downloader. A couple of weeks ago the site started requiring me to sign-in wheneer I attempt to download a vid, yet the sign-in never completes. Seems like a back-door way of barring the FVD from working on the site. Anyone else having the same problem? I'm also thinking it could be a shadow ban for downloading content they disagree with.

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When Judge Napolitano Speaks, Why Does President Trump Listen?

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Somalians in Minnesota

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dimanche 28 janvier 2018

327 Federal Magnum

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Anybody tracking Shotshow 2018?

I haven't been able to track to much of the new products, but I did see the Condor Knife and Tool "Travelhawk" which looks intriguing. Sort of combining a Nordic looking head with a hawk that can also be removed as used as an Ulu.

I like the compact size and selection of tools on SOG's new "Powerpint" multitool:

Looks like Cold Steel is make a return of their original Tanto (I just haven't seen it offered or available in quite some time); not sure why, but I've always just loved that design:

I can't post a picture, but Hogue has a new fixed blade (well, new handle material) with their really cool designed sheath...Hogue has really been impressing me with their quality: https://www.hogueinc.com/ex-f02-4-5-...s-green-scales

Anybody else see something that made you go "hmmmm"?

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Pumpkin and Berry screens for Squeezos

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Has anyone ever used these? I just ordered both of them. I have no idea how many pounds of tomatoes I've run through the screen that comes with a squeezo, and have done enough currants to get nearly half a gallon of juice, but prior to this afternoon, had no idea there was more than one screen.

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Mosin Nagant scope mount

Has anyone used the Bad Ace Tactical no drill/tap scope mount on their Mosin Nagant? I want to put a scope on mine, just for fun, but don't want to drill anything out. If you have used the mount did you leave the bolt handle straight or get a bent one? Here is a link to what I'm asking about.

https://www.badacetactical.com/colle...ap-scope-mount

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Trying to design flexible lightweight water filter setup for travel & camping

Hello!

As the title says, we're trying to design a decent setup that's lightweight and flexible for travel/camping/bikepacking in US/Canada (mostly, at this point). We use a Berkey (black cartridge) filter at home with the additional chlorine elements and we do have a very small travel Berkey. This is great for certain situations but it's slow (given that it only uses one of the black elements), rather bulky, and fairly heavy. I think I can come up with something that will meet our needs and be smaller/lighter in the process.

Since we're used to well filtered water, we hate drinking "tap" water when we travel, even at hotels, etc. We also want a system that will work for camping/bike packing as well. I'm thinking of using the new CNOC Vecto bags as the base of the system since they can be used a number of ways (gravity, squeeze, etc). I'd like to design a setup that could be used either gravity (which I'd use most of the time) or squeezed (in case we wanted some water quickly or perhaps somewhere like in the car, while driving a long distance). Additional methods are a bonus.

I've run across a couple of possibilities that I'd love to hear thoughts on (and certainly any other options you might know of!). I'm amazed how few options are coming up on Google and Amazon searches for alternatives to the couple of "big" name water filter brands. Having said that, there are a couple of options made by those brands that look interesting.

The first is the new option the LifeStraw Flex. It has a 2-stage filtration including a replaceable carbon filter and it also filters lead. It can be used 5 different ways (including the ways I need) and is $35. It filters 2k litres/500gal for the main filter and 100/25 for the replaceable carbon filter. However, the replacement carbon filters aren't available yet with no date given which is disappointing (just says ASAP - so no idea how soon that actually will be!). You can see it here: https://lifestraw.eartheasy.com/products/lifestraw-flex

The next option is something like the Sawyer Squeeze (or similar from another brand, if a better option exists). This has a very high volume water filter, for basic water safety and very popular. I've seen it used with the Vecto bags (as it was designed for this purpose) and also as a gravity feed system with the CNOC bags/Squeeze. I realize that it doesn't have the carbon filter but when I use it as a gravity feed system, I could add something like the Platypus in-line carbon filter. Specs vary from it lasting 1500 to just 300 litres. It costs $19.95. If it were 1500 litres, it's a decent value but not so much at 300 litres (compared to the LifeStraw as they carbon replacement filters for the other new filters are only $10 for a 2 pack). Having said that, the Sawyer Squeeze lasts much longer than the main filter of the LifeStraw so I suppose that a difference too. I couldn't use the carbon filter anyway but gravity feed, I think, which is a point away from this one. More parts to juggle/deal with. You can see the carbon element here: https://www.platy.com/gravityworks-carbon-element. I also just found the Katadan Charcoal in-line filter. It appears a little biklier but is refillable with activated charcoal which makes the price much lower. I'm still trying to figure out if it works with a gravity feed system as opinions differ but I think it does. Any info on whether this will work gravity would be great. You can see it here: https://www.katadyn.com/us/us/268-80...bottle-adaptor It also appears that there are other "hacks" for creating your own DIY carbon filter add on for something like the Sawyer Squeeze. I don't yet know enough to know if it's worth pursuing. I don't want to have to worry about it working correctly. I do however like the idea of a refillable option like the Katadyn as there would likely be even less expensive options for obtaining activated charcoal to refill it with.

I also stumbled upon a 3-stage filter on Amazon that gets decent reviews - though discussions on other sites say it's rather cheap and breaks easily - which is obviously greatly concerning. I don't know how great it actually is. Wondering how well it would work for gravity from a couple of comments (like you have to suck on it to get the feed started, etc). It's called the Survivor Filter (according to one post I read, it looks like it may be the same company as Renovo Trio and Miniwell). https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LA97I8M...filter%20straw

I've looked at options like the Grayl in the past but I just don't think it's worth the price/gallon plus the effort of pressing for a minute for every bottle. Making several litres at a time would be a pain.

I'm sure there are other options and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Obviously, the Sawyers seem very popular and I hear a lot about their versatility - which I don't fully understand at this point (though I'd like to!). I'm not as interested in the original LifeStraw but the new Flex seems to be q good improvement and I like that it removes lead and other things that others don't. Advice, opinions, other options, experience, etc would be greatly appreciated. (Sorry for the post length...trying to give good info.) Thanks in advance!

PS One thought is that regardless of which way I go now, I could eventually "upgrade" the setup to a Sawyer Zero PointTwo if I ever needed to take it out of the country or in virus prone areas for any length of time. Obviously boiling will work for short term stuff but I could still use the bags/tubing, etc with the virus capable filter, if needed. The flow rate on it remains a decent 1l/minute for gravity.

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Arsenal SLR107-11 7.62x39 AK-47 Rifle Desert Tan Furniture - $899.99

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another trade thread.

Considering an even trade of handguns.
Been thinking of getting a more compact gun for an occasional conceal carry gun. Right now I carry a fullsize in a OWB pancake holster.

These would mainly be range guns. Very limited carry.
Not sure if it's worth it to trade for a range toy due to the cost of .380 ammo.

I have a Sig Mosquito with 2 mags and complete in the case.
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The slide has been replaced with a GSG Firefly slide due to a breakage to the original. Been a great plinker with little to no issues with FTF or FTE's.
Used when open carrying "lite", like around the yard.

Gun offered up is a Sig P230 .380 with 2 mags and IWB holster.

I'm on the fence.
A .22LR for a .380?
Do I just hold out for another 9mm trade. OR,
Do I just buy a new PT111 G2 9mm as a compact CC gun?

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Nudging. How the politicos are controlling you

So some time back I received a flyer in the mail from Harvard Kennedy School.
I received this flyer because someone had mixed my name and work position (I am a supervisor) and sent to me in the mail to my home address a proposition letter to attend a school class on "Applying Behavioral Insights to the Design of Public Policy "

Also known as "Nudging"

Now why is this a big deal?
Does anyone remember BO signing an executive order instructing the Gov. to use Behavioral Science to persuade the public?"
https://personalliberty.com/obama-ex...-u-s-citizens/

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Behavioral insights and public policy: Can the former be used to craft solutions for the latter?
Traditionally, many government policies are designed on the basis of how people should behave and an assumption that this behavioral is rational. Yet both individuals and organizations make many decisions that systematically depart from what is rational. The result? Policies that are ineffective or even backfire.
But using insights gleaned from behavioral economics, psychology and other social sciences, you can craft better policies that have more successful outcomes.
Better Public Policy from Behavioral Insights
Led by a renowned group of scholars and practitioners working in this rapidly expanding field, this program will introduce you to cutting-edge research from various social science disciplines and how these can be used to build more effective policies. You will examine how behavioral insights can inform the development of nontraditional policy tools and why these can be more impactful and cost-effective than traditional policy tools.

OK, well this is the class that teaches this concept to future leaders and gov. officials.

The intent is to "Nudge" people into accepting political policy even when they don't want it.

It was an offshoot of the resistance to the ACA and to the head of the NHS who told us in 2009 that we "Had" to get a shot.

Why should you care?

Because this is the subtle art of getting the people to give up their liberties and freedoms and make them look forward to it.

For those interested, you should read upon the concept.

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Yep, another noob - Hello from Southern AZ

Been a member of another very similar forum for about 5 years and don't intend to quit there - too many good friends and too much good information.

I'm adding this forum to my sources of info and maybe to share experience with. At least one other member there is also a member here, that's how I found out about you guys.

I'm an old fart, close to retirement, back road Jeepin' lizard and part time amateur gold panning type. Also have a General Ham radio license but not too active because of the lack of equipment at present.

So Ill see what discussions I can become involved in while staying out of trouble with the administrators.

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Hello from Ohio

Hi guys and gals! I have been visiting this site for a few years (search engine). I finally decided to join and hopefully contribute to this awesome community. Love the outdoors and try to be reasonalbly prepared for most situations.

Thanks to my job I get move around every couple of years. I have lived in NJ, CO, MO, OK, TN, TX, middle east, LA and OH. I grew up in Indiana so it is nice to be back in the Midwest. Was missing the four seasons, especially fall.

I look forward to sharing and learning.

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Is stainless worth it?

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I've been looking into the Remington 1858 and the model I was looking at is available in blued or stainless. The stainless model is in the neighborhood of $150 more than the blued (grand total of 500 smackers). Would there be any appreciable benefit towards paying the buck and getting stainless or would I be just as well off by keeping a blued model well oiled. I know stainless won't obviate the need to clean BP residue but I assume it would probably hold up a bit better in the hot 'n' humid southeast (or at least be less maintenance intensive). Thoughts?

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Anyone hunt unprotected species in the offseason?

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In most places there are a few species considered pests that are usually able to be hunted without a liscense or a season. Near the farm we have jackrabbits and pigeons that are available and at times abundant, most people would not even consider going after these let alone eating them but like lots of wild game they are way overlooked by most. Pigeons can be hunted very easy around grain bins or fields and shooting them is good practice for the fall hunting seasons and honestly they taste like a big dove. Jackrabbits take a little more work to find but walking fence lines and tree rows with the .22 is nice and relaxing to get some meat for the pot. Just wondering how many people take advantage of game that can be hunted year round that most people over look or would scoff at.

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The Ruger Security 9 Pistol at the 2018 SHOT Show

The latest centerfire pistol from Ruger, the Ruger Security 9, is a value-priced autoloader for concealed carry and home defense. The mid-sized pistol has a polymer frame, is hammer-fired, and uses 15 round standard capacity magazines (10 round magazines are also available). The name is reminiscent of the company’s earlier (and now long discontinued) Security[.....]

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The Ruger Security 9 Pistol at the 2018 SHOT Show

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Ruger LCP II 380 ACP Moonshine Undertow Camo Finish from $249.99 shipped

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What do you do when you cannot stop throwing up?

Short answer, I go to the hospital and get plugged in, sometimes for two full liters!

I have looked and searched and have not found any real answers other than get medical attention. When I say throwing up, I mean hours, into days (I can last 1-2 days) of retching every few minutes. Nothing stays down, nothing. Forget sleeping. I have tried suppositories of Tigan which did nothing, pills come back up and dissolving anything under the tongue brings on retching. It happens with migraines and the stomach bug.

Any time I have had an IV it included drugs. If drugs are not available, then what? Does rehydrating help stop nausea? How does one stop the retching (dry heaves)? Is it an electrolyte imbalance that causes the heaves? I am hoping someone has had this topic covered in some field courses. I sure am not finding answers.

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What do you do when you cannot stop throwing up?

Know thine enemy; Rabid by Bill Wasik

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Know thine enemy; Rabid by Bill Wasik

So what do you think, are Liberals really uglier than Conservatives?

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So what do you think, are Liberals really uglier than Conservatives?